PowerPC :: G4 400Mhz Sawtooth - Added Second Harddrive - Won't Boot Anymore?
Nov 14, 2007
Today I was planning to build in a second harddrive into my old G4 tower. So I did this. But after installing the system won't boot anymore from the OS X Tiger partition. I have tried all sorts of jumper settings, from slave to master to cable select. All without success.
When I boot from the Tiger installation CD diskutility does not even recognize my original master drive nor does it recognize the new slave drive. I even tried to boot from an old OS9 disk to initialize the disk. I tried formatting it in another machine to HFS Journaled, no success in booting mounting the disk whatsoever.
I recently added some extra RAM's but i doubt these are the problem since my machine DOES boot without having the new disk installed in the system.
It is a 60GB Maxtor drive, so it is within the maximum amount of GB's possible for these older machines.
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Apr 25, 2010
I running a 400MHz sawtooth Family #M5183 my friend gave me with a 40 gig hard drive running OSX 10.3.9. I just picked up at the swap meet a Qwicksilver Model No.M849 PNG4 1GHZ DP/2M CACHE/512MB SDRAM? 80GB HD DVD-R/CDRW/Nv17 DUAL/56k MDM/GIGE it is missing the HD from under the superdrive can I just plug in the HD from my Sawtooth and run her? She still has the HD in the bottom its a 80 gig IBM Deskstar. When I opened my Sawtooth I found that there is a Seagate Cheetah model#*ST118202LW* Its not even plugged in!!! How many gigs is it and can i run it for more space? I have three 512 cards for memory. Can I use the video card from the sawtooth to run a second monitor? If this all works whats the newest operating system I can run? As soon as I get the money I am going to swap the processor and bring her up to speed. I am a singer/songwriter on a budget trying to put my studio together,I run live sound and make Hand Drums.I'm not a computer tech by no means but I do ok running a mouse to get a good sound. If you are going to tell me to wrap machine in tin foil and put it in the freezer PLEASE don't waste my time!!!!! I just want to build my machine correctly and not f@#$ anything up.
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Feb 17, 2009
I have a 2004 iBook G4. My internal HD broke yesterday, but I have a backup on an external firewire HD enclosure, made using CCC. I've tried to boot from it using the startup disk tool on the install DVD: it comes up as a useable startup disk, but when it restarts I get the blinking folder icon for a few seconds, and then it boots from the internal HD (or tries to.)
Disk utility says it is bootable, I can mount it and edit files using single user mode from the internal HD, etcetc, but it just won't boot from it.
I've even tried to go into Open Firmware and boot yaboot from the external drive, but it doesn't seem to see the drive at all until after OS X is booted.
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Feb 17, 2007
I have a G4 powermac 400 mhz with os panther 10.3.9 installed Can this G4 be upgraded to Tiger and if so which version.There seems to be many versions of tiger ie some say amd or intel etc If i can upgrade which version should i look for
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May 27, 2007
I have a powermac G4 Sawtooth and the power supply recently decided to go, My question is, is there a way to tell if I have a Rev.1 or Rev.2 just by looking at the board? Markings on the case and PSU don't help because I bought a Replacement Motherboard for it which had wider white plastic clips, I need to know because I am not sure if i need the 237W PSU or the 200W PSU.
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I'm working on upgrading my 400MHz Sawtooth. I'd like to take it to the maximum 2 GB of RAM, but since I already made the mistake of buying high density instead of low, I thought I'd ask before making another purchase.
As far as I know, these are the right specs for my machine:
-PC100 (or faster) SDRAM
-low density
-non-ECC
-max 512 MB
-double sided
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Jul 26, 2007
I bought 4 G4 towers of eBay for �85.. none have Hdd's so havent tried them out yet (two also have no graphic cards) I got a mix of ram size and speed (pc100/pc133) however thats not my question
Next to the ram slots theres a red light that comes on, is this normal? I've tried to do some research on it and some people say it is, others say it isnt.
I plan to sell them off again on ebay but I did it mainly as a project to keep the G4's alive. Any suggestions on graphic cards (cheap ones too)?
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Oct 2, 2010
I've been a PC user for many many years, but have had a G4 Sawtooth for about 3 years now, its only a 400Mhz model, but I have just placed a 533Mhz G4 in there, and apparently I need to use a dip switch? I just got a standard sized dip switch, so thats not a problem, I was wondering two things:
1. If anyone has a Sonnet for sale instead of using the G4
or
2. If you can offer up some advice on the easiest way for my G4 to recognise the new 533 CPU?
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Sep 23, 2006
I've got GSA-H20L LG lightscribe drive but the only problem is that the lightscribe drivers I got from versiontracker have to no avail helped me, I also tried disclabel.
Is there anyway via drivers/program to get lightscribe to work on this sawtooth?
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May 28, 2009
Well, using some guides (check bottom of post), I did some experimenting with my old G4 Sawtooth to see how fast I could run its lame 400mhz cpu. Ultimately, my goal was to make Quake 3 playable at a resolution other then 800x600. These tests were all done with PC-133 ram (896MB), running 10.4.11.
Starting specs:
400mhz (4x100mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 19.9
1st overclock (with 400mhz cpu):
500mhz (5x100mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 29.3
Note: This was incredibly unstable.
In the process of moving to 450mhz on the 400mhz stock cpu, one of the jumper resistor solder pads came off (lame 10 year old glue). So, I went on ebay and got 5 450mhz G4 cpus for 50$ CDN after shipping. One of them came dead, and one failed after the jumper change.
2nd overclock (with 450mhz cpu):
500mhz (5x100mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 22.3
Note: This sucked. Now really stable, but I didn't get a performance gain like I got with the 400mhz cpu, and Quake 3 still ran like crap.
So here I decided to do the FSB overclock. Knowing I would end up with 4.5 x 133 which would be too fast, i jumpered a cpu to 3.5 multiplier for a 466 clock. This never booted. I put in a 450mhz chip and...
3rd overclock (with 450mhz cpu):
533mhz (4.5x133mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 25.6
Note: That multiply doesn't make sense. It shouldn't be 533. But hey, it worked, stable, and I got a performance gain.
4th overclock (with 450mhz cpu):
533mhz (5x133mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 29.3
Note: Ok, the clock is still not right. This is the same cpu that did the 5x100 so I know the multiplier is set right. But hey, its doing better in the scores!
Conclusion: Success! 533mhz seems to be the top out with the NVRAMRC script in place. But there is a considerable performance gain everywhere (booting, app loading, etc). Most importantly, my Quake 3 now runs very smooth @ 1280x1024 with max graphics settings. I am a very happy camper. I can take pictures of the solder job if anyone requests them. I do recommend this if you have some good technician skills.
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Jun 15, 2010
i recently bought a secondhand mac g4/400 and ive been trying to startup to install tiger (am using a macbook pro for work). i tried both of the ultra ata 'bays' but am wondering whether normal IDE drives will work?
i have:
1X western digital (caviar) enhanced IDE drive and
1X seagate normal IDE drive (ST340015A)
the cd-rom works fine on its own and can boot up with panther install discs but when selecting startup disc there is nothing. I connected the cdrom to the far end of the cable (set jumper to master) and WD E-IDE drive to the second 'block' (set as slave)
i am under the assumption that because the cdrom works there is nothing wrong with the cables.
on boot up I cant select the startup drive (just network) as there is only one device detected (CDROM) if harddrives are disconnected
I get the network folder first on boot up then question mark/folder icon
not quite sure how to proceed from here. is formatting a must for the normal IDE drive? or will the mac pick it up regardless.
I connected both drives to existing cables and the normal IDE drive also to IDE (PC) cable also reset the PMU/SMU as well as took out all daughterboards and tested RAM which appears to be ok. i also took out the battery and put it back.
the PSU seems fine, but is there a way i can check with diagnostics or something..
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It's an original airport card.
Computer's a G3 400 Mhz iMac.
A G3 300 Mhz iBook with original airport card is having no troubles.
Firmware of Airport card is 9.52
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OSX 10.3.9
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