PowerPC :: G4 Sawtooth - CPU Upgrade / DIP Switch
Oct 2, 2010
I've been a PC user for many many years, but have had a G4 Sawtooth for about 3 years now, its only a 400Mhz model, but I have just placed a 533Mhz G4 in there, and apparently I need to use a dip switch? I just got a standard sized dip switch, so thats not a problem, I was wondering two things:
1. If anyone has a Sonnet for sale instead of using the G4
or
2. If you can offer up some advice on the easiest way for my G4 to recognise the new 533 CPU?
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May 27, 2007
I have a powermac G4 Sawtooth and the power supply recently decided to go, My question is, is there a way to tell if I have a Rev.1 or Rev.2 just by looking at the board? Markings on the case and PSU don't help because I bought a Replacement Motherboard for it which had wider white plastic clips, I need to know because I am not sure if i need the 237W PSU or the 200W PSU.
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Jan 25, 2009
I'm working on upgrading my 400MHz Sawtooth. I'd like to take it to the maximum 2 GB of RAM, but since I already made the mistake of buying high density instead of low, I thought I'd ask before making another purchase.
As far as I know, these are the right specs for my machine:
-PC100 (or faster) SDRAM
-low density
-non-ECC
-max 512 MB
-double sided
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May 24, 2010
so my pc ftp server starts being a bh so i put all the drives into my pm g4, press power it chimes, screen is blank, i have followed the 'my mac won't boot guide' so please don't point me to that
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Sep 23, 2006
I've got GSA-H20L LG lightscribe drive but the only problem is that the lightscribe drivers I got from versiontracker have to no avail helped me, I also tried disclabel.
Is there anyway via drivers/program to get lightscribe to work on this sawtooth?
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Nov 7, 2006
trying to install Tiger on a 350mhz Sawtooth - problem is the computer won't read the dvd/cdrw drive (it did fine before I formatted the HD). I try holding C, it does nothing, tried reseting PRAM, nothing.
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May 28, 2009
Well, using some guides (check bottom of post), I did some experimenting with my old G4 Sawtooth to see how fast I could run its lame 400mhz cpu. Ultimately, my goal was to make Quake 3 playable at a resolution other then 800x600. These tests were all done with PC-133 ram (896MB), running 10.4.11.
Starting specs:
400mhz (4x100mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 19.9
1st overclock (with 400mhz cpu):
500mhz (5x100mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 29.3
Note: This was incredibly unstable.
In the process of moving to 450mhz on the 400mhz stock cpu, one of the jumper resistor solder pads came off (lame 10 year old glue). So, I went on ebay and got 5 450mhz G4 cpus for 50$ CDN after shipping. One of them came dead, and one failed after the jumper change.
2nd overclock (with 450mhz cpu):
500mhz (5x100mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 22.3
Note: This sucked. Now really stable, but I didn't get a performance gain like I got with the 400mhz cpu, and Quake 3 still ran like crap.
So here I decided to do the FSB overclock. Knowing I would end up with 4.5 x 133 which would be too fast, i jumpered a cpu to 3.5 multiplier for a 466 clock. This never booted. I put in a 450mhz chip and...
3rd overclock (with 450mhz cpu):
533mhz (4.5x133mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 25.6
Note: That multiply doesn't make sense. It shouldn't be 533. But hey, it worked, stable, and I got a performance gain.
4th overclock (with 450mhz cpu):
533mhz (5x133mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 29.3
Note: Ok, the clock is still not right. This is the same cpu that did the 5x100 so I know the multiplier is set right. But hey, its doing better in the scores!
Conclusion: Success! 533mhz seems to be the top out with the NVRAMRC script in place. But there is a considerable performance gain everywhere (booting, app loading, etc). Most importantly, my Quake 3 now runs very smooth @ 1280x1024 with max graphics settings. I am a very happy camper. I can take pictures of the solder job if anyone requests them. I do recommend this if you have some good technician skills.
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Jun 15, 2010
i recently bought a secondhand mac g4/400 and ive been trying to startup to install tiger (am using a macbook pro for work). i tried both of the ultra ata 'bays' but am wondering whether normal IDE drives will work?
i have:
1X western digital (caviar) enhanced IDE drive and
1X seagate normal IDE drive (ST340015A)
the cd-rom works fine on its own and can boot up with panther install discs but when selecting startup disc there is nothing. I connected the cdrom to the far end of the cable (set jumper to master) and WD E-IDE drive to the second 'block' (set as slave)
i am under the assumption that because the cdrom works there is nothing wrong with the cables.
on boot up I cant select the startup drive (just network) as there is only one device detected (CDROM) if harddrives are disconnected
I get the network folder first on boot up then question mark/folder icon
not quite sure how to proceed from here. is formatting a must for the normal IDE drive? or will the mac pick it up regardless.
I connected both drives to existing cables and the normal IDE drive also to IDE (PC) cable also reset the PMU/SMU as well as took out all daughterboards and tested RAM which appears to be ok. i also took out the battery and put it back.
the PSU seems fine, but is there a way i can check with diagnostics or something..
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Apr 25, 2010
I running a 400MHz sawtooth Family #M5183 my friend gave me with a 40 gig hard drive running OSX 10.3.9. I just picked up at the swap meet a Qwicksilver Model No.M849 PNG4 1GHZ DP/2M CACHE/512MB SDRAM? 80GB HD DVD-R/CDRW/Nv17 DUAL/56k MDM/GIGE it is missing the HD from under the superdrive can I just plug in the HD from my Sawtooth and run her? She still has the HD in the bottom its a 80 gig IBM Deskstar. When I opened my Sawtooth I found that there is a Seagate Cheetah model#*ST118202LW* Its not even plugged in!!! How many gigs is it and can i run it for more space? I have three 512 cards for memory. Can I use the video card from the sawtooth to run a second monitor? If this all works whats the newest operating system I can run? As soon as I get the money I am going to swap the processor and bring her up to speed. I am a singer/songwriter on a budget trying to put my studio together,I run live sound and make Hand Drums.I'm not a computer tech by no means but I do ok running a mouse to get a good sound. If you are going to tell me to wrap machine in tin foil and put it in the freezer PLEASE don't waste my time!!!!! I just want to build my machine correctly and not f@#$ anything up.
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Sep 20, 2010
I want to do this to increase the speed of my sawtooth. I think that the dual 500mhz was the last apple processor that is compatible with the sawtooth because they both run on 100mhz busses, correct?
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Feb 12, 2007
I have an old sawtooth and like many people find the prices of the original airport card to be a bit inflated.
I read that lucent Wavelan silver, bronze, gold cards are backwards compatible with the original Airport specs.
Does anyone know if this works for certain? If it does, I'd like to pick one up cheap from ebay and stick it in my Sawtooth.
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May 12, 2007
After packing away my little brothers sawtooth 400Mhz with 384mb RAM and an 8Mb ATI AGP graphics card and then unpacking it I've been having a problem. When starting the computer up the screen shows nothing at all I have tested to see if the screen is broken and it seems to be functional. I think the card itself might be broken? BTW, I'm using the VGA slot and not the DVI slot on the back. I have also removed and cleaned the card just incase that might've been the problem.
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Nov 14, 2007
Today I was planning to build in a second harddrive into my old G4 tower. So I did this. But after installing the system won't boot anymore from the OS X Tiger partition. I have tried all sorts of jumper settings, from slave to master to cable select. All without success.
When I boot from the Tiger installation CD diskutility does not even recognize my original master drive nor does it recognize the new slave drive. I even tried to boot from an old OS9 disk to initialize the disk. I tried formatting it in another machine to HFS Journaled, no success in booting mounting the disk whatsoever.
I recently added some extra RAM's but i doubt these are the problem since my machine DOES boot without having the new disk installed in the system.
It is a 60GB Maxtor drive, so it is within the maximum amount of GB's possible for these older machines.
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Jul 25, 2008
Does anyone know the exact name and part numbers for Wireless upgrade kits for the following machines:
G5 Dual 2.0 ghz - (main board has 8 slots for RAM upgrade)
Mac Pro Quad 3.0ghz
I've been searching around in circles trying to find this out and I'm just getting no where!
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Apr 20, 2010
i changed the power supply on my G5 dual 2.5 ppc 6 months before, (G5 was completly silent when switching on, no click sound of power supply)
i have again problem with this G5.... but this time when i swith it on, you can hear one click like in audio amplifiers, and the front diode flash one time only, and then nothing! no fan noise, nothing, silence...
who can tell me if it's again power supply problem? battery? or mother board? or what it can be?
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Oct 29, 2006
I've got a 900mhz G3 iBook that my wife uses. The logic board was replaced on it once already. It's really starting to act up again. I see Apple is still honoring their Logic Board switch out. What are the chances they'll upgrade it to a G4 or a macbook ? Has any recently sent there iBook in for a logic board replacement? How'd it go, how long did it take?
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May 18, 2010
It doesn't power on at all not one sign of life. Nothing went "pop" and I have changed the power cable too so its not that. Is there anything I can do or has it bit the dust?
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Oct 27, 2007
I had bought an iBook G4 back in July of 2005 and that ended up being my main machine for about a year. I had to switch back to Windows since so much software that I needed only ran on Windows and it just made more sense. Just this past February I replaced that machine since it was having some serious issues and wasn't worth the time or money to troubleshoot. The machine I have now has an Athlon64 x2 4200+, 1GB RAM, a 320GB hard disk, the standard DVD writer, and I installed a GeForce 7600GT 256MB video card in it. The iBook has a 1.2GHz G4, 1.25GB RAM, a 60GB hard disk, and a combo drive. I have a 160GB external hard disk and a DVD writer to hook up to it.
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Jul 21, 2009
I have a G5 Duo 2.7Ghz with 4Gb of ram (supplied with 2Gb, 2Gb added later).
Sometimes when it goes to sleep it can't be activated again and I have to trip the power switch and restart. When it goes to sleep the machine begins to run flat out as if it was about to take off!
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Mar 24, 2010
I recently upgraded my old Airport Extreme Base Station (looks like a lumpy cap) to a newer AirPort Extreme Base Station with dual-band support and 802.11n. I installed the software on my Macbook running Snow Leopard, created a new set up with new passwords, etc. The Macbook and a G4 12" rev A PowerBook running OS 10.3.9 connect fine, but a G4 500 GHz Sawtooth, running OS 10.3.9, with an original Airport card installed will not connect. Initially the new networks showed in the AirPort inverted triangle bars, but now the triangle is grey, and I can't get any connection with Internet Connect or the network diagnostic that comes with the OS. 2 out of three ain't bad, but I want all the computers to connect.
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Oct 20, 2008
I curently have 10.3.9 with a PowerPC G4 dual w/ 1.25 processors and 2 gig of ram. I want the highest upgrade I can get that will be compatibe with my software which is:
Quark 6.5
Acrobat 7.1
Acrobat Distiller 7.0
Illustrator CS1
Photoshop CS1
Microsoft Office (don't know what version but I've had it for years)
I really can't afford to go buy all the software again and I don't want my system to crash. Any suggestions?
This upgrade is mostly spawned due to the recent purchase of a new iPod Nano... Not supported by my current OS! Man, I didn't read the requirements, shame on me. However, the dang thing will work on my kid's PC w/ XP Pro. I only got the Nano cause it's mac - he wanted the Zune that ONLY works w/ PC.
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Dec 14, 2010
If I select from the menu bar another available wireless network (one without a password for example) and then switch back to my own wi-fi network, am I still safe?
Did the fact that I connected to another network present any risks?
I did not send any private info during that time, any risks of getting hacked?
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Apr 15, 2012
Sometimes restarting is not enough: you need to power off your Mac, wait for a little, and power it on again.It could be a script which act like the "schedule" program in system preferences: it would switch off the Mac immediately, the add 1 minute to the current time and switch it on again.
Info:
mac mini, Mac OS X (10.6.4)
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Dec 15, 2010
I have a few questions about upgrading my mac in order to use the new iPod touch 4th gen (requires 10.5 or later).
First, here's what I'm working with:
I have a PPC G4, dual processor 1.25 GHZ, 80GB HD, 768mb RAM, running Tiger 10.4.11. I use CS2 for freelance graphic design (and very occasionally Quark 4 on OS 9). I have 2 external hard drives backing up my system, storing personal files, photos, music, etc. Yes, I've got an oldie, but it's been cranking out loyally over the years with tune ups and TLC, and I need it to live on a while longer.
1. Can I upgrade to Leopard 10.5 (not snow leopard) and still use my CS2 programs? From what little information I've been able to find, the answer is most likely yes, but with quirks and decreased speed... which I can deal with. I simply cannot afford a new mac (nor the software upgrades required once that happens), so I need to work with what I've got.
If the answer is yes, then...
2) are there any other updates in between 10.4.11 and 10.5 that I will have to purchase before upgrading to 10.5?
3) Also, since I will have to upgrade to a minimum 1GB RAM, can anyone please suggest a good site to buy it from? There seems to be a million options out there. I know that I should really have more RAM anyhow with what software I am using.
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Jun 4, 2007
I'm new around here, and am looking for some advice! I have a G4 Powerbook, which I love. Sadly it's hard drive just died, and I need to get a new one. My HD was originally 80 gigs, but I'm thinking I'll get a bigger one this time around. I'm thinking 200GB, if I can. I won't be upgrading until next month (as I'm abroad right now) though I assume I should buy the hardware as soon as I can, since I know the older a machine gets the more expensive it's parts become.
Are there any specific brands/stores that I should especially consider? I'm also hoping to buy more RAM (I have 1GB now, and I THINK the most I can get on my laptop is 1.5GB, can anyone please clarify?) If anyone could suggest any other ways I'd be able to soup up my laptop, I'd be very grateful if you could share them for me! If I'm leaving out any specs that I need, just let me know.
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Apr 18, 2009
Scored a Power mac G5 1.6Ghz for FREE, it was going into the dumpster at work! I've been jonesing for a Mac to play with iWEB 09, so I've figured out I need the upgraded OS. Did I order the right thing? MAC OS X 10.5.4-MEDIA SET. I gather this is the 1st G5, seems to run nicely, any suggested upgrades? I'd like to run entourage an office as well as IWeb?
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Sep 19, 2010
My buddy just gave me a B/W PowerMac G3 with a Sonnet Tech G4 1GHz upgrade kit and OS X 10.4.10.
I've been wanting to setup a proxy to bypass the content filters on the WiFi networks I find on the road. For instance, I can't go to the iPhone Dev Team website with the network I'm currently on.
Do the parts exist to also turn it into a Gigabit +Draft N router? It would sure be nice to kill two birds with one stone.
I don't know anything about setting all of this up, how would I go about it?
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Feb 4, 2007
I have the Power Mac G5 Dual Processor 2.0 GHZ, with 3 GB of RAM, but I would like to upgrade but this model only has four slot, not 8. On the logic board, I can see little holes where the other 4 slots are meant to be, but obviously they aren't there. Is there any way to upgrade this G5 so it has 8 slots, rather than 4? I haven't found anything about this on the Apple Discussions, or MacRumors.
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May 25, 2007
Ok so I have quite an updated G3 BW/400:
2 x 80gb HD's
Radeon 7000 64mb GPU
1 gb RAM
DVD-ROM
Big TV to watch downloads on.
I am still not absolutely satisfied with the playback and have read that a final bottleneck is the PCI bus (66mHz) and that I can upgrade this to 133mHz.
I am interested in doing this but I want to understand it a bit better. Is the bottleneck the data transferred from the Hard drive or the motherboard to the GPU?
Also, I am looking for suggestions on what to buy. 100mHz or 133mHz or what?
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Jan 1, 2008
It has been wiped clean, back to OS 9, Power Mac AGP Graphics, firewire slot.
I want to give it to my bro for net use, itunes, word processing and basic stuff.
what would be the best way to go about upgrading? Should i do leopard or and older os X? will I need more ram (256) and i believe it is 500 mhz, would that be good?
like I said, it's just for basic stuff but I was wondering if these machines still work good.
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