PowerPC :: G4 Sawtooth Overclock Results
May 28, 2009
Well, using some guides (check bottom of post), I did some experimenting with my old G4 Sawtooth to see how fast I could run its lame 400mhz cpu. Ultimately, my goal was to make Quake 3 playable at a resolution other then 800x600. These tests were all done with PC-133 ram (896MB), running 10.4.11.
Starting specs:
400mhz (4x100mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 19.9
1st overclock (with 400mhz cpu):
500mhz (5x100mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 29.3
Note: This was incredibly unstable.
In the process of moving to 450mhz on the 400mhz stock cpu, one of the jumper resistor solder pads came off (lame 10 year old glue). So, I went on ebay and got 5 450mhz G4 cpus for 50$ CDN after shipping. One of them came dead, and one failed after the jumper change.
2nd overclock (with 450mhz cpu):
500mhz (5x100mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 22.3
Note: This sucked. Now really stable, but I didn't get a performance gain like I got with the 400mhz cpu, and Quake 3 still ran like crap.
So here I decided to do the FSB overclock. Knowing I would end up with 4.5 x 133 which would be too fast, i jumpered a cpu to 3.5 multiplier for a 466 clock. This never booted. I put in a 450mhz chip and...
3rd overclock (with 450mhz cpu):
533mhz (4.5x133mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 25.6
Note: That multiply doesn't make sense. It shouldn't be 533. But hey, it worked, stable, and I got a performance gain.
4th overclock (with 450mhz cpu):
533mhz (5x133mhz)
Xbench cpu score: 29.3
Note: Ok, the clock is still not right. This is the same cpu that did the 5x100 so I know the multiplier is set right. But hey, its doing better in the scores!
Conclusion: Success! 533mhz seems to be the top out with the NVRAMRC script in place. But there is a considerable performance gain everywhere (booting, app loading, etc). Most importantly, my Quake 3 now runs very smooth @ 1280x1024 with max graphics settings. I am a very happy camper. I can take pictures of the solder job if anyone requests them. I do recommend this if you have some good technician skills.
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May 27, 2007
I have a powermac G4 Sawtooth and the power supply recently decided to go, My question is, is there a way to tell if I have a Rev.1 or Rev.2 just by looking at the board? Markings on the case and PSU don't help because I bought a Replacement Motherboard for it which had wider white plastic clips, I need to know because I am not sure if i need the 237W PSU or the 200W PSU.
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1. If anyone has a Sonnet for sale instead of using the G4
or
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Jun 15, 2010
i recently bought a secondhand mac g4/400 and ive been trying to startup to install tiger (am using a macbook pro for work). i tried both of the ultra ata 'bays' but am wondering whether normal IDE drives will work?
i have:
1X western digital (caviar) enhanced IDE drive and
1X seagate normal IDE drive (ST340015A)
the cd-rom works fine on its own and can boot up with panther install discs but when selecting startup disc there is nothing. I connected the cdrom to the far end of the cable (set jumper to master) and WD E-IDE drive to the second 'block' (set as slave)
i am under the assumption that because the cdrom works there is nothing wrong with the cables.
on boot up I cant select the startup drive (just network) as there is only one device detected (CDROM) if harddrives are disconnected
I get the network folder first on boot up then question mark/folder icon
not quite sure how to proceed from here. is formatting a must for the normal IDE drive? or will the mac pick it up regardless.
I connected both drives to existing cables and the normal IDE drive also to IDE (PC) cable also reset the PMU/SMU as well as took out all daughterboards and tested RAM which appears to be ok. i also took out the battery and put it back.
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Apr 25, 2010
I running a 400MHz sawtooth Family #M5183 my friend gave me with a 40 gig hard drive running OSX 10.3.9. I just picked up at the swap meet a Qwicksilver Model No.M849 PNG4 1GHZ DP/2M CACHE/512MB SDRAM? 80GB HD DVD-R/CDRW/Nv17 DUAL/56k MDM/GIGE it is missing the HD from under the superdrive can I just plug in the HD from my Sawtooth and run her? She still has the HD in the bottom its a 80 gig IBM Deskstar. When I opened my Sawtooth I found that there is a Seagate Cheetah model#*ST118202LW* Its not even plugged in!!! How many gigs is it and can i run it for more space? I have three 512 cards for memory. Can I use the video card from the sawtooth to run a second monitor? If this all works whats the newest operating system I can run? As soon as I get the money I am going to swap the processor and bring her up to speed. I am a singer/songwriter on a budget trying to put my studio together,I run live sound and make Hand Drums.I'm not a computer tech by no means but I do ok running a mouse to get a good sound. If you are going to tell me to wrap machine in tin foil and put it in the freezer PLEASE don't waste my time!!!!! I just want to build my machine correctly and not f@#$ anything up.
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Is there any way I can overclock my b&w g3 350mhz?
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Sep 20, 2010
I want to do this to increase the speed of my sawtooth. I think that the dual 500mhz was the last apple processor that is compatible with the sawtooth because they both run on 100mhz busses, correct?
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Feb 12, 2007
I have an old sawtooth and like many people find the prices of the original airport card to be a bit inflated.
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Nov 14, 2007
Today I was planning to build in a second harddrive into my old G4 tower. So I did this. But after installing the system won't boot anymore from the OS X Tiger partition. I have tried all sorts of jumper settings, from slave to master to cable select. All without success.
When I boot from the Tiger installation CD diskutility does not even recognize my original master drive nor does it recognize the new slave drive. I even tried to boot from an old OS9 disk to initialize the disk. I tried formatting it in another machine to HFS Journaled, no success in booting mounting the disk whatsoever.
I recently added some extra RAM's but i doubt these are the problem since my machine DOES boot without having the new disk installed in the system.
It is a 60GB Maxtor drive, so it is within the maximum amount of GB's possible for these older machines.
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May 17, 2008
For those of you who are using 8800 GTS instead of non-apple 8800 GT, you can use NiBiTor to reclock your 8800GTS back to its factory higher clock speed and increase voltage back to factory firmware level without using software/registry overclocking (ie, RivaTuner). This way you dont even have to use RivaTuner (although it is great program if you want to overclock your card beyong factory overclocked speed or reference speed). But most importantly you can change back your card's voltage from 1.1V back to 1.15V.
You need NiBiTor 4.0, 8800GT32.rom (from this forum), and most recent Nvidia beta driver.
1. verify 8800GT32.rom checksum (under Adv. Info tab) before you start. Ignore integrity red warning as that is from different file size due to OSX EFI which you need to boot OSX
2. change Device id from 0602 to Nvidia PCI-E 8800GTS G92 (0600) under main screen
3. under clockrates tab, enable change amount of active performance levels. recycle levels from 0 to 4 to enable "extra" row. Enter your card's true core, shader, and memory speed from factory. Put 0 for all 3D, Thrtl, and 2D. Mine was 678 core, 1728 shader, and 972 memory.
4. Under Tools select voltage table editor, change entry 1 to 1v, entry 2 to 1.05v, entry 3 to 1.1v, and entry 4 to 1.15 v
5. Under Voltage tab, change "extra" under exact mode to 1.15v. VID mode should automatically change
6. Under temperature tab, fanspeed column should now automatically have 100% for extra, 3d, thrtl, and 2D. If not put 100%.
7. open "fanspeedIC" under temperature tab. Fill into match your original 8800GTS firmware setting. Mine was TCirt = 83, min Duty cycle= 37. Rest were same as 8800GT
8. Save. and done. Just dont change Sub Vendor ID, Sub System ID, Board ID. Otherwise your card wont boot under OSX
If you want to overclock higher speed, you should experiment with RivaTuner before overclocking with firmware.
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May 31, 2008
But I can't find any applications to do it! Graphicaccelerator says it can but it does not work under 10.5.
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May 2, 2010
I just wonder if it's possible. Nothing it proposed via ntunes.
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Apr 7, 2008
I was just wondering if you can overclock the 8800gt from its stock rating? If you can is there any real benefit? And lastly if you can and there is a benefit how do I go about doing this?
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Nov 3, 2008
I like the overclock tool from ZDnet but would like a way to make the settings stay after a hard reboot. My system is stable and I do not want to always leave my system on. Anyone figure a way to push these settings once you find a threshold that is stable?
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Mar 14, 2010
How can i succesfully and efficiently overclock my iMAc g4?
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Aug 13, 2010
Would it be possible to overclock the 5670HD in the 21.5" iMac? I heard somewhere, judging by the device ID, that it is a 5730M card. I have been watching the thread on clocking the 5850M, and seeing the great FPS improvements, so was wondering if it would be in anyway possible to do it to the 5730M. Heres what it says in System Profiler:
ATI Radeon HD 5670:
Chipset Model:ATI Radeon HD 5670
Type:GPU
Bus:PCIe
PCIe Lane Width:x16
VRAM (Total):512 MB
Vendor:ATI (0x1002)
Device ID:0x68c0
Revision ID:0x0000
ROM Revision:113-B9850H-133
EFI Driver Version:01.00.416
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how to overclock the cpu and the gpu in my macbok pro 13 inch core i7?
Info:
MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.3)
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Sep 6, 2010
I've come into possession of a 1.83 Core Duo MacBook and I am curious if you're able to clock the processors on these in anyway? I appreciate the implications of doing this on a laptop / notebook type device, but I want to know in theory if it is possible. I understand the maximum ram on a MA254LL/A is 2GB... is this correct? Will it not ready any more? In terms of the CD drive, is it possible to upgrade it to a superdrive? Is this easy or simply not possible? I've seen a few on ebay, and would be curious to know if they'd work. How far can you get with a MA254LL/A, whats the maximum HDD you could pop in?
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I know a couple guys in the MBP refresh gaming thread were able to overclock using Nvidia Tools. I'm not having any luck; the sliders are grayed out and I can't make any changes with system tools 6.06. I've also got errors when trying to install Nvidia drivers other than the ones included with Bootcamp. What driver/system tools version are you using to OC? And what settings have you tried? (I'm on Windows 7 64bit).
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