MacBook Pro :320M Is Not More Powerful Than The 8600M?
Apr 15, 2010
a bunch of people are using the notebookcheck.net 3DMark06 score of 3300 as the average score for the 8600M GT. Due to this, a lot of people are getting the wrong impression that the 320M is faster than the 8600M GT, and that the 330M is 2x more powerful.There are several consistency issues which need to be addressed: 1) 8600M GT (DDR2) vs 8600M GT (GDDR3)While they both have the same name, there are actually 2 different variants of the 8600M GT card. One with DDR2 memory and one with GDDR3 memory. (Note: this is NOT the same as system memory) The GDDR3 variant is between 20% - 30% faster than the DDR2 variant. Majority of the 8600Ms tested used DDR2 memory, while all the 8600Ms in Apple notebooks use GDDR3 memory.
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Jun 4, 2010
Im looking at buying a second hand macbook pro, of the two graphics card what would be better for gaming?
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Nov 15, 2009
So I bought my macbook pro about a year ago, and ever since I have never update my graphic/video card. I need to update it because I am trying to play this game (Left4Dead) and It says that I should update it and I have tried playing the game without updating but when I get to the Main Menu it is blank. So I went to nvidia's website and I could not find an update for GeForce 8600M GT for mac.
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Apr 15, 2010
To start my computer is a early 2008 Penryn MBP with the 2.4 C2D and a 256mb 8600M. Today I was trying to show something on google earth, but once the app started, I could not control the map, it would just freeze. Once I was able to zoom in, but it would not do anything, it would zoom in on pixelated junk. I tried reinstalling it, but no dice. I thought there may be something wrong with how the data is streaming, but it works fine on my hackintosh and my iphone. This got me thinking about the well-known faulty 8600m.
I have, on rare occasions, had some screwy issues with my display, like some pixelation and difficulty getting the display to work after sleeping, but these have been few and far between. I was curious if all this could be related to the GPU, and if there is anything I can do to test before going to the apple store and complaining how my google earth won't work (I am still covered under applecare). I don't game, so I have nothing of that sort to try out on it. I did download and run cinebench, and it gave me an open GL score of ~9.4fps.
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Apr 4, 2012
I have a 2007 Macbook A1226 MB896LL/A which is showing all the signs of the GPU problems common to this model. Is apple still repairing them free of charge? Laptop does not chime,the fans are running, nothing on display but you can hear the hard drive chattering, it sort of boots to the point where if you increase/decrease the volume it makes the usual clicking sound, the keyboard backlight comes on if you cover the sensors, it ejects a CD if you press the eject key.
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MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.6)
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May 5, 2010
I have a 2007 Macbook Pro with the Nvidia 8600M card, and my screen went out. I had my logic board replaced, but my computer just doesn't feel the same. Should I be worried of any other issues?
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Oct 26, 2010
I currently use a 4 year old MBP with an X1600 GPU. Thinking about going for an Air, and wondering what the 320M is like in comparison.
I play the occasional game but principally would use the machine as a holiday / travel laptop and would hope to be able to do light 3D graphics work on it. I know it's never going to replace a desktop machine but I'm quite good at working within hardware constraints.
Is the 320M a much better GPU? If so by what order of magnitude?
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Jul 21, 2009
I have a year old MacBook Pro with an Nvidea GeForce 8600M GT card.
I recently bought Unity but it turns out the Nvidea GeForce 8600M GT graphics card isn't fully supported because of a memory leak which is a problem with the drivers.
Unity Support have told me to update my drivers. I understood Mac drivers were always built in to the OS and no drivers were available from Nvidea but I see they now have one Mac driver for another card.
What is the actual state of affairs with this graphics card does anyone know? There have been a lot of reports of faulty ones and now this.
This is a just about year old top of the range MacBook Pro and it doesn't support graphics??
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Nov 1, 2010
Wanted to let you know that I had great sucess overclocking the 320m in the Air. I used the same procedure found in this thread.
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This might help you starcraft junkies out there as it may give a 20% increase in performance. I played MW2 for two solid hours tonight without lockups at 625 / 1340. (11" 1.6 4GB) Thanks go to all in the refrenced thread that contributed to these findings!
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Apr 15, 2010
Yes, and as you can see in my signature, I have the previous model which I have bought less than 25 days ago. I will go to Apple store this friday (Japan, and these people should be nice) and try to convince them that they shouldn't have given me the inferior ones.
Back to the point, will Starcraft 2 work well with nVidia 320m? Apple's website says there will be a 80% boost, but what about Starcraft 2?
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Jun 22, 2010
which is better and why?
I'm wondering because i currently have an hp laptop, and the only thing i am not satisfied with is my graphics performance.
i would like to upgrade to a macbook pro, but i don't want to buy the very expensive 15" model.
i use the graphics for GIMP mainly.
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Dec 2, 2010
Does anyone know how to install the latest NVidia drivers from their website?
The installation breaks of because the correct hardware couldn't be found (when indeed I did download the correct 320M drivers).
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Dec 2, 2010
I have a late 2008 15" MBP with an NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT w/256MB of RAM. I am thinking of trading it for a current 13" MacBook with a GeForce 320M w/256MB.
Am I right in assuming the new MacBook's GPU is inferior to my current's? If so, how much of a hit would I take in games like Left 4 Dead 2, Portal 2, etc.. ?
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May 13, 2010
Before you all start attacking me for having a second Steam thread, I get it. There's already a steam thread. This one is specifically for those of us who have MBPs (from any generation) that use integrated 9400m and 320m graphics. This is a great way for us to compare the two Core2Duo graphics cards.
Please report any info about frame rates, settings, how well or poorly games run etc. Feel free to re-post information about this stuff from the other thread so that we can consolidate the info.
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Sep 1, 2009
I happened to have a spare 23" Cinema Display and I rather than getting another Mac Pro to run it, which I already have, I am wondering if I hook up the 13.3" MBP, can I still run FCP in it?
I am thinking of using it more of a machine for importing videos in the background, while I run the actual video editing work on my Mac Pro?
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Apr 13, 2010
While the GeForce GT 330M featured in the new 15- and 17-inch MacBook Pros has already been found in competing notebook PCs, the new 13-inch MacBook Pro sports the Nvidia 320M, a graphics processor created just for Apple.
An Nvidia spokesperson told AppleInsider Tuesday that the new 320M was made especially for Apple, and is the successor to the GeForce 9400M, introduced in 2008. The 320M is an integrated graphics chipset for notebooks based on Intel's Core 2 Duo line of processors.
According to Notebookcheck.net, the 320M does not have dedicated graphics memory, but uses shared memory for the system for its graphics processing, giving it poorer performance than a GPU with dedicated memory. The 320M (not to be confused with the GeForce GT 320M) is based on the GT216 core, and offers 48 shader cores.
The report said the gaming performance of the 320M should be comparable to, but slightly better than, a 310M. The 320M also supports PureVideo HD for high definition decoding within the GPU. The processor can also be used to encode videos.
In announcing its new line of MacBook Pros on Tuesday, Apple revealed that the GeForce 320M GPU offers up to 80 percent faster graphics processing. It also helps the 13-inch MacBook Pro achieve 10 hours of battery life. Apple called the 320M the "fastest integrated graphics processor on the market."
The 13-inch model also includes faster Core 2 Duo processors, reaching speeds up to 2.66GHz and featuring a 1066MHz frontside bus with 3MB of shared L2 cache.
Featured on the 15- and 17-inch models is the 330M, which Apple said is more than twice as fast as the low-end 320M. Apple said the GT 330M "provides smooth, crisp on-screen graphics for the most demanding 3D games, creative software and technical applications."
The 15- and 17-inch MacBook Pros also include automatic graphics switching, which Apple has dubbed a "breakthrough" technology. It allows the system to switch graphics processors on the fly, giving users performance when they need it and better battery efficiency when they don't. AppleInsider first revealed Apple was planning dual graphics technology in its future MacBook Pros in February.
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Feb 19, 2010
I have a 2008 MBP with a TON of problems, but out of warranty. Since the logic board is so problematic and Apple is repairing defective MBP's with 8600M's for free, my plan is to ruin the video card so Apple will replace the logic board for free.
So, any suggestions on how to do this?I'm running the OpenCL Benchmarking Tool, I don't know if it's effective or not :P
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Oct 20, 2010
Will the new macbook air 11 inch with a 1.4 ghz processor be able to handle itunes hd video as well as safari and other apps open without problem.
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Mar 3, 2008
I am looking to take advantage of my student discount before it runs out in the summer. I currently have a G4 Powerbook, 15", 1.67, 80GB, 512MB RAM.I used to use Final Cut, but now only use Photoshop, iMovie, Dreamweaver, Flash, so I do not think I have any need for a MBP.Will a new MB be significantly more powerful than my old PB for all the tasks I want?
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May 6, 2012
I bought my Macbook Pro late summer 2011. Suddenly just a week ago it slowed down significantly, so I thought maybe if it was an update that had gone crazy or something so I ran an update check and installed what was missing and rebooted, and it went stuck on gray the apple loading screen. Then I booted from the Recovery HD and ran the disk check, found out that the Mac partition was broken and couldn't be repaired. I copied everything from to my external disk and formatted the partition and reinstalled Lion. Still runs slow and freezes though and I can't figure what to do.
It's something with the hardware, maybe overheat or something. Can't seem to run Hardware Test either, goes straight to the loading screen when I hold the 'D' button.
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Info:MacBook Pro (15-inch Early 2011), Mac OS X (10.7.3)
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Sep 22, 2009
I've had conflicting answers on this at the Apple Store today so I'd like to ask the question on here again. I would like to use a Mac for work and consequently would prefer the greater portability of the 13" model (plus it fits in my Tumi bag and the 15" doesn't).
However, at home the computer will be used for editing of AVCHD hi def movies which will be burnt to blu-ray. I will also use the computer for editing of 15mp RAW files from my dSLR camera. The computer will be attached to a 24" dell monitor so screen real estate is not an issue.
I want to emphasise that the video and photo editing are _not_ work related and are for my personal pleasure only (hobby).
Is the 13" up to the job? The lack of a discrete gpu is my main concern. One of the guys at the genius bar told me that without the discrete gpu Aperture 2 can really start to slow down and its quite annoying.
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Jun 15, 2012
I am a long-time MacPro user. I mostly use the MP for PhotoShop/LightRoom but occasional I will use Premier and Maya for Video editing and 3D work. I was wondering if the new MacBook Pro is powerful enough to handle these tasks. Also with the inclusion of ThunderBolt I was hoping I might have the ability to add on fast external storage and even the ability to option boot other OS's running from and external. Also... how does one hard connect to the network with no ethernet connector... and will I be able to connect up my trusty 23" cinema display?Â
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MacPro 2.66, Mac OS X (10.6.7), GB ram.. iLife 08 /Aperture / CS 5
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Jun 22, 2012
I am considering the possibility of selling my iMac to fund a retina MacBook. The screen really won me over when playing with it in an Apple Store. My iMac specs are as follows: 27-INCH, Mid 2010 Processor 3.6 GHz Intel Core i5Memory 8 GB 1333 MHz DDR3Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5750 1024 MB256 GB SSD + 1TB HDD It is in flawless and mint condition. I am hoping to get enough to fund the Retina MacBook (around £1500), as I get HE discount. I have a 24" Apple Cinema display I can connect the Retina MacBook to. I will use it only as my home workstation, as I already own a 13" MacBook air. So my Question(s) are as follows: 1) Will the MacBook match the power of my current iMac (I like to edit photos, play some music, play WoW) 2) Is this move worth it, or silly? 3) How will the 24" display look when connected to the retina? Can I use this external display as an "extension"? 4)?
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Feb 16, 2009
I've never owned a Mac before, but have a couple of friends who love theirs. So when the stunning new Air came out, I decided I'd join them after using only Windows PCs for so many years. I am trying to decide between the 128GB base 11.6" Air and the base 13.3" one. I prefer the form factor of the 11.6", and ideally, I'd just go ahead and get it, because portability is high on my wishlist.
However, my decision hinges on whether the 11.6" can play 1080p MKVs so I can output them to my TV when I'm not mobile.I've read elsewhere that the 11.6" with the 1.4GHz CPU struggles in OSX, but I'd be installing Windows 7 as well, my media player of choice being Media Player Classic. The reason for this is that it supports hardware acceleration of movie files with the GPU, so allows the CPU to be relatively unused, or assists a slow CPU in playing high bitrate/resolution movies.
So, after the drawn out intro, I guess my questions are: Does the GeForce 320M in the Air support hardware acceleration (DXVA) in Media Player Classic in Windows? If yes, is it capable of playing 1080p MKVs smoothly (for example, a 24 minute show weighing in at roughly 1-1.5GB)?
I would really, really appreciate it if some kind soul would be willing to try this out to help me make my buying decision. As I say, it would be my first Mac, so I'm really not sure when it comes to this kind of thing. And I do realise that what I'm asking is ridiculously specific, but I thought that if anyone could help me, it would be you guys.
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May 28, 2009
Both have 256 MB memory, but which is faster? I have the 8600M in my MBP and the 9400M (currently with 128MB memory, but will have 256MB once I upgrade to more ram).
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Nov 22, 2010
At the moment I am testing with my 2010 Macbook Pro with a 330M hooked up to a Denon AVR-3806 receiver via HDMI. The Denon is hooked up to a plasma via HDMI.
I assume that the 320M in the Mini and the 330M are very similar, which is why I am posting here in the Mini forums, since I think I will get more visibility in here where people hook up their Macs to TV sets.
When I plug in the HDMI to the Macbook Pro using a mini displayPort to HDMI adapter, it automatically creates some generic DENON_AVR color profile or something like that. Things look ok, but everything is too dark for my liking. All shadow detail is lost.
It seems like I am getting better results when using the s-RGB color profile or even the Adobe RGB 1998 color profile, but i'm still not happy.
How do I get this video card, the 320M or the 330M, output just 'raw' or default, without having to calibrate the color profile? I tried calibrating using the Color menu on the Macbook Pro, but it just didn't work out. I would like it to just output the default or something so that I can just use the TV to control the final result. I have a few Popcorn Hour boxes that I currently use and I don't have to mess with any sort of color profile on those boxes. It just outputs a great picture. And I can leave the HDMI input on my TV with the same picture settings that I use for my DVR. Since I am using the AV receiver to do the HDMI switching, only one HDMI input on the TV is being used, so I have to leave the picture settings alone. The HDMI input is set on the Pioneer 6070 to accept RGB.
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Mar 17, 2009
I am looking at the previous gen (2008) mac pros and comparing them to the current gen Xserve, and in terms of CPU and RAM, the xserves don't seem to have any premium in performance...Is that the case ? It would seem that if one were trying to achieve the highest possible CPU speeds and ram configurations, one could just as easily do that with a mac pro vs. an xserve.Is it assumed that the next generation xserves will match the 2009 mac pros and continue this trend ? It would be nice if there were some options on the xserve that were more powerful than the desktop systems...
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Jan 1, 2010
I do not currently own a mac but am in love with the OS and really want to buy one. Im not really strapped with cash at the moment and I dont want the mini or an imac. I did some searching on ebay and found a mac pro priced at $1100.
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May 7, 2010
I'm interested to learn the differences between these video cards : NVidia's GeForce 9400M and GT 320M used by Apple.
Is the GT 330M supposed to be better/faster than the 9400M ? Any benchmarks and comparison stats ?
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Jan 3, 2011
How can I update my nvidia geforce 320M drivers, I downloaded the drivers from nvidia site, however, i get an error that says "this computer will not support this nvidia graphics solution" - I downloaded this file "NVIDIA Retail Mac Driver 256.01.00f03", I'm using LG 22" TV/Monitor with Res at 1680 x 1050 @ 60Hz which is causing regular text appear blurry.
the 1680x1050 seems to be the best Res setting but text is blurry ..
I tried different HDMI cables, same conclusion ...
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