Mac Pro :: Install Vista 32bit Or 64bit For Gaming?
Feb 15, 2008
Im about to recieve my MPro w/8800, and plan to have a dedicated HD for Windows in bootcamp. Windows will be used exclusively for gaming (real-time-strategy games mostly, if this matters).
I am keen on going into Vista, trading a bit of XP performance/stability towards full/hassel-free compatibility with Directx10 and future games, but have no clue whether it makes sense or not to go with the 64 bit version.
I understand this version allows to use much more RAM (which i will have installed on the MPro), AND more than a single core used.
What i dont have a clue about is wether the 64bit version is compatible with all (or grand majority) of games, whether they do actually take advantages of the 64 bit possibility (which im not sure at all, as i believe you have to program it to do so), etc.
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Mar 8, 2009
Is the 64bit and 32bit versions of Vista in the Vista Home Premium software? Or do you have to purchase the specific one? How can you tell the difference when looking at the package?
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Jan 26, 2009
I know a lot of us have the Elgato Eyetv Hybrid and would love to use it on our Macs in conjunction with Bootcamp & Windows. Well I finally figured out how to do it! All I had to do is slightly modify some Windows drivers.
The hardware being used is very similar to the Hauppauge USB Sticks.
Elgato made 2 versions of the hybrid; the older version without QAM and the newer version with QAM. (It has been brought to my attention they also have a new version out with radio capabilities).
I have only been able to test this on the hybrid WITH QAM.
I was able to slightly modify the Hauppauge drivers which allowed the Elgato Eyetv Hybrid to work under windows using both the Windows Media Center and the standalone player by Hauppauge.
So here is what you need to do:
Go to Device Manager
Vista users: Right click on Computer > Click Properties > Click Device Manager
Now you should see some devices under "Other devices" with a yellow question mark next to them. Both should be called "EyeTV Hybrid" There are two because the USB stick has both a digital and analog tuner.
Right click on either device > Click Properties > Click Details tab > Where it says Property, scroll down to Hardware IDs
If the bold numbers match, these drivers will work for you. (If they don't match please provide me with your numbers so I can try and make drivers that will work for you.)
USBVID_0FD9&PID_0008&REV_0005&MI_03
Now we can close the EyeTV Hybrid Properties windows which brings us back to Device Manager.
Download both the modified drivers (an attachment below) and the manufacturer software here:
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Unzip and open the manufacturer software, navigate to the Drivers folder, and replace: HCWemBda.inf and HCWemBda64.inf with the modified drives you downloaded from me. (You also have to unzip and open the folder you downloaded from me).
Now go back to your Device Manager window, Right click on one of the EyeTV Hybrid devices with the yellow question mark next to it and click Update Driver Software...
Click Browse my computer for driver software > Click browse and navigate to the drivers folder from the manufacturer's software > Click Ok.
Do the same for the other device in Device Manager.
Now go to the manufacturer's software you downloaded earlier and double click Setup.
Finish the install and you should be Done
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May 17, 2009
I currently have 268GB on my hardrive.
I have the 17" MBP Unibody so I want to start gaming again, and I have thought about Xp, Vista, and 7 and I have decided on windows 7 because its free and allows for DirectX10.
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Now I am trying to conserve hard drive space but should i get the 16GB 32bit or the 20GB 64bit version of windows 7 and how much space should i allocate for the partition?
2.
Games i will be playing:
Counter Strike: Source
Call of Duty: WaW
Maybe Battlefield 2
3.
I plan on getting some newer games since I don't have my crappy computer anymore.
Any suggestions??
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Oct 5, 2009
Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.
I have an 8-core 3.2GHz 2008 Mac Pro with 16GB RAM. I've just ordered the EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 graphics card and am hoping to turn my beloved mac into a bit of a sexy PC gaming beast for some evening fun. Already purchased Batman Arkham Asylum, Gears of War and an Xbox 360 controller to get me started
I'll cut to the chase. Microsoft are offering a free upgrade to Windows 7 if you buy Vista at the moment so that's not the issue. The issue is 32bit or 64bit for a gaming box - which is the best version to get for performance and compatibility with gaming on windows?
I'm looking to purchase either the 32bit or 64bit version of Vista (with the free upgrade to the corresponding Windows 7 version).
Which is the best to get? 32bit or 64bit? I've been reading that some games don't work well with 64bit Windows. Lots of conflicting articles and comments.
32bit or 64bit Windows... what's the best for a bootcamp gaming rig?
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Apr 27, 2009
I'd appreciate it if anyone could offer me some advice on whether to go with the 32bit or 64bit version of Vista on a 4-core 'Nehalem' Mac Pro. I've read that some drivers will fail to work under this version of the operating system - is this the case for the hardware in the Mac Pro (particularly the HD 4870)?
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Oct 11, 2009
My Windows XP partition is getting claustrophobic and it's about time I upgraded from an 8 year old OS.
Anyway, what's the easiest way to do this? I assume it'll have to be a clean install to go from XP to 7 and 32bit to 64bit.
I have a fair number of programs and several gigabytes of Steam games which is why I haven't done it yet.
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Apr 16, 2010
How's it going everyone, I'm fairly new to Mac and I'm not very technical at all. I just purchased an i7 15" and I'm confused when it comes to 64bit vs 32bit. Does the computer automatically switch between the two or is there something you have to specifically do to run one or the other? For instance, I downloaded Handbrake last night, it asked if I wanted 64bit or 32bit? I have no clue? I bought a powerful machine, I want to make sure I utilize it.
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Oct 4, 2010
do i have a 32 or 64 bit default macpro and do i want to set it to 64 bit or leave it 32?
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Aug 21, 2009
This article gave me a little bit more understand and also made me feel better that either booting in 32bit or 64bit kernel will not make a huge difference due to hardware limitation.
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Oct 22, 2009
Today I got my new 21.5 base model iMac, along with windows 7 Ultimate. I was wondering if I should install the 32 bit version or the 64.
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Nov 11, 2009
I'm not sure which forum this belongs in, but given that its really a vmware question, I'm thinking that applications is the best fit.
Anyways, if I decide to take the plunge and get windows 7, it will be for the express purpose of running within vmware. I have zero interest in running it in bootcamp (I use fedora and boot into that) so basically which version of win7 would provide the best performance. The 32bit or 64bit flavor
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Aug 20, 2010
I've recently bought a new iMac and would like to migrate my stuff from my early 2006 iMac (first intel mac, 32 bit). There are several ways of doing this, but I'd like to achieve:
1) Identical copy
2) Defragmented drive (previously it was getting very slow)
As I know from using Windows, you cannot simply create an image from one PC and move to another, because of differences in the kernel. The new PC may never boot. I am moving from 32bit to 64bit, so that would be quite a change. Also, should I use the migration assistant, or boot from recovery disc and recover from my time machine backup? Will the latter not result in a more identical system? And, is that desirable? My old iMac has all updates installed, so it should be the same as the new system.
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Jun 23, 2012
i would like to know if it's possible to upgrade my 13" MacBook Pro from 32bit to 64bit
Info:
iPhone 4S, iOS 5.0.1
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May 11, 2012
It appears that for whatever reason, the kernel on my Mac is 32bit/i386, but the architecture is 64bit:
Darwin system.local 11.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 11.3.0: Thu Jan 12 18:48:32 PST 2012; root:xnu-1699.24.23~1/RELEASE_I386 i386
Though the kernel itself is a universal binary:
mach_kernel: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures
mach_kernel (for architecture x86_64): Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64
mach_kernel (for architecture i386): Mach-O executable i386
Info:
Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.7)
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Aug 27, 2009
So, with Snow Leopard, there is a 32-bit kernel, and a 64-bit kernel. Correct?
As I understand it, it will boot into the 32-bit kernel by default, but if your hardware is supported, you can select the 64-bit kernel.
My question is - where is the list of supported hardware, and how do you select the 64-bit kernel?
My confusion comes from several posts and various articles which all say the first-gen aluminium iMac has a 32-bit EFI, and therefore can only boot into the 32-bit kernel. But I've just downloaded an app called Startup Mode Selector, which shows you your system config, and it says I have a 64-bit EFI.
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Mar 6, 2009
Recenly got myself a Macbook Pro and installed Vista 32bit on it. Runs great (although the fans start blowing quickly and hard in Vista compared to OsX) but I do have one problem: when I play games (HL2, Fallout3...) the games tend to crash after a few minutes (the application itself, not the laptop)
I tried installing (modded) drivers, updating all I can update but the problem remains. Only thing I have not tried is re-installing Windows, but not sure if that would even solve my problem.
Temperatures measured with HWMonitor seemed pretty normal to me (cpu max 62�C, gpu around 82�C).
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Mar 7, 2009
I was told to run Vista 64bit for games, but I was wondering about this� Since many applications don�t even have a 64bit version out and I don�t think games are 64bit, will they all run under vista 64bit? I have a feeling this might be a dumb question, but I just wanted to make sure before I go out and buy Vista 64.
Also do you think windows 7 is better for games? Will it even run games that have not been written for it? Or would I just be better sticking with vista 64 until everyone has caught up and made their apps compatible with the new windows 7? I mean will antivirus programs, ripping apps, etc work under windows 7 without a hitch, or should I wait and just use vista64 for now?
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Aug 13, 2009
Yes you read that right. Your brand spanking new MBP will use a 32-bit kernel as default.
You can force 64-bit kernel but some of your hardware will not be working.
So all that marketing crap about the benefits of 64-bit etc are all B.S.
I don't want a million threads about how this will not effect the running of 64 bit apps, etc. because it will. Your 64-bit app will run but it will not be able to address more than 4Gb of RAM.
There are also many more advantages to having a 64-bit kernel.
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Jul 10, 2008
Can vista 64 bit use all 8 cores of the mac pro when running under boot camp? And can you set how many cores vista uses if running under vm ware? Looking at getting one end of the year but need performance on windows still.
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Jun 15, 2009
Having a problem installing a 64bit version of Vista via bootcamp on my 2006 Mac Pro. I can partition the drive just fine, but when I go to install the software, the computer reboots and seemingly attempts to boot of of the CD. I get a black screen with the following prompt:
1.
2.
Select CD-ROM Boot Type:
However I am unable to type either 1 or 2 in.
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Aug 3, 2009
I have Mac OS X on my SSD and Windows Vista X64 on a seperate drive.
I used Bootcamp to prepare the drive as a single partition for Windows.
All fine and working so far.
However, after installing the Bootcamp tools from my Mac OS X 10.5 DVD I don't get anything in the Start Menu apart from the Apple Update program.
There are several services including the Switch application that is running, but that's it.
As a result my Early-2008 Mac Pro will only boot from the Windows drive, unless I use the Option/Alt key to select the Mac OS X drive.
Anyone got a clue what I might be missing here? I already did the re-install/replace option on the Bootcamp tools. No effect.
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Oct 19, 2009
i was just wondering if this is even possible... i started reading this thread but it was way too confusing for me so if you could explain it to a computer illiterate it would really help me out.
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Jun 25, 2009
I was told by my friend that you can now pre-order Windows 7 upgrade "Home Edition" from Best Buy for 50 dollars. This seems like a damn good deal for a Windows operating system. Right now I am dual-booting Windows XP with Mac OS X Leopard on a Penryn MacBook Pro. I plan on upgrading to Leopard once it comes out, and maybe Windows 7, but I am not sure if it is worth the money over XP or Vista. I bought Windows Vista Home Premium Edition about two years ago, installed it, and it worked decent. The only problems I really had with it was I didn't like the new UI, it wasn't slow, but it wasn't fast either, and it didn't run a lot of old games I enjoyed. So I erased it and installed XP and haven't looked back. I actually prefer XP's default blue UI over the new, corny stuff. If I had it my way, Windows would still be using the Windows 2000 UI.
-What advantages does Windows 7 have over XP and Vista?
-How comparable in speed is it to Windows XP and Vista in gaming and everyday use?
-Is it possible to install older UIs onto 7?
-Should I get 64-bit or 32-bit?
-Can I upgrade from XP to Windows 7?
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Feb 24, 2008
I am currently in the process of selling my gaming pc, in order to buy a mac pro. My old system was an intel core 2 quad, 4GB PC2-6400 low latency, and an 8800 GTX. I've had a macbook for about 18 months now, and i will never go back, hence my recent idea to move my desktop computing to the mac pro. However i am concerned about graphics power in gaming on OS X and on boot camp Vista/XP.
I am looking for some advice on what you think the best solution might be, and whether you think the 2 x 2600XT's will be powerful enough for the recent game s in the market (Crysis, COD4:MW). Also wondering if it is possible to use upgrade the mac pro to an 8800 gtx myself, and whether the 2 x 2600XT's needs just simply uses crossfire drivers on bootcamp windows. I am assuming the motherboard does not have an SLi controller, hence the lack of 2 x 8800GT's.
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Oct 2, 2009
I've successfully installed windows professional 32bit onto my mac computer with bootcamp. When I insert my OS10.5 Leopard cd's into the computer windows will not detect the CD's. These are original CD's after trying to get it to work for a few mins I came up with an idea. I downloaded the 2.1 mac drivers from apple @ [URL]. I then burned the drivers onto a cd and then rebooted into windows. After copying the drivers from the cd to my harddrive, I tried to install the drivers that I had downloaded but nothing happens. I can see in the taskmanager that the BCUpdateXP.exe runs for a few seconds then does nothing. The mac is an iMac 8.1, intel core 2 duo, 2.66ghz, 2gb ram. The leopard cd's work when running the mac under Mac OSx 10.5.8 which would mean the cd's should be fine.
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Sep 24, 2009
Last night I installed Windows Vista to run a game on here, but I got several issues. I already installed the drivers from the Snow Leopard DVD, but the problems still persist.
The issues are:
1. Sound is very very low and uneven. I have the volume all the way maxed, but the loudest it can go is less than half than the potential volume in Snow Leopard.
2. Headphones don't work. I've tried like 3 pairs of headphones and none of them work. When I plug them in, the sound still comes from the left speaker (I can barely hear the right speaker) on the laptop and not on the headphones. Also, the headphone jack is emitting a red light out of it.
3. The lights on the keyboard won't shut off. I used the F5 key to turn off the keyboard backlighting, and while it goes very dim they won't shut off.
I already tried the suggestions on this thread but none of those fixes work. I need help! Especially with the sound! Anything at all would be greatly appreciated.
I'm running a MacBook Pro 13" from June 2009, 2.26GHz Intel, 4GB of RAM, and an Nvidia GeForce 9400M. I instlled a 64bit version of Windows Vista (OEM).
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Jun 15, 2009
I recently reformated my PC and put XP Professional 64bit on it, did all the updates that I possibly could. Installed/downloaded all my games, updates, patches. Customized windows with everything that I like. Installed my AVG 8.0 Pro antivirus, Just everything that I want with a PC.
is there a way to totaly save my entire windows install? Like if I were to upgrade from a 500gig to a 1 TB hard drive? I know some PC repair shops use a program to do this. I think it has the word "Ghost" in it? Is there another way also? I have an external 500 HD that I would save w/e I need to save on it to make it work.
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Feb 2, 2010
I have a 15'' unibody mbp with the 9600M, and the nvidia notebook driver installer always fails to recognize my graphics card and quits. Is there a way around this? I have tried modifying some INF files but it doesn't work.
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Nov 11, 2009
Has anyone had success installing Win7 x64 on a new iMac?
I know the previous gen didn't support it. I am wondering if the new ones do.
Because of some of the gaming I do, I would really like support for more than 4GB of RAM in Windows.
I searched around and found some limited references to people attempting it.
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